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From I24 News: (http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/140505-un-anti-torture-watchdog-grills-vatican-over-child-sex-abuse)
"The Holy See has no jurisdiction over every member of the Catholic Church," Tomasi said
..................;What ????? MSGR??!!!! Nice deflection! Does the UN accuse us because, throughout the world, hundreds of thousands of Catholic laity are serving well deserved jail terms? NO!!! They accuse us because thousands and thousands of homosexual PRIESTS have used the Church's youth groups as their own happy-hunting-grounds and the Hierarchy has been complicit in protecting predators and sometimes has even been involved in the crimes.
Are you telling us now, MSGR T, that the Vatican has 'no jurisdiction' over 'every member' of the priesthood? Then why did Pope Benedict laicize so many of them? Why is Pope Francis' inner circle trying to 'administrate' 'controls' and 'procedures'? If the Pope has no jurisdiction, then there cannot be a papal solution, and both Benedict and Francis have been pretending!
"Persons who live in a particular country are under the jurisdiction of the legitimate authorities of that country and are thus subject to the domestic law and the consequences contained therein," he said.
But critics say the Vatican and individual dioceses have helped abusers escape justice by failing to report their crimes and transferring them to new parishes, sometimes abroad.
The committee vice-chair Felice Gaer said the Vatican should take responsibility for actions in the Church's branches worldwide.
"The convention aims to ensure there is no safe haven for perpetrators of torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment," she said.
Benedict XVI, pontiff from 2005 to 2013, was the first pope to apologize to abuse victims and call for zero tolerance. His successor Pope Francis has stepped up efforts. oh really? Then why has the rate of defrockings gone down since Pope Francis took over?
it is a shame when facts get in the way of a good narrative!
The committee session came two days after a Vatican panel including US Archbishop Sean Patrick O'Malley and Irish victim and campaigner Marie Collins announced that it would develop "best practices" to curb abuse and protect minors.
I really am sick of hearing how "best practices" and "curia reorganization" are going to fix evil. [[ANALOGY]] It's kind of like saying that the well-fed Crimean bureaucrats whose buildings were overrun by Russian Spetsnatz could have saved the day with a few more file folders and paper clips! We are at war. Do none of our 'generals' know this?
Those of us who have had children subjected to the various 'Circle of Grace' programs and other such horse-#?$%, have gotten the impression that the whole 'best practices' thing is just a giant CYA on the behalf of Catholic clergy who see themselves as bureaucrats because they lack fortitude and must take cover behind 'best practices'. With 'controls' and 'best practices' in place, when future cases come up--and I thnk there will be many because the Church refuses to recognize the root of the problem is disloyal and evil priests and religious--I suspect it will be blame-the-victim time all over again.
If this is the Holy Father's only silver bullet solution, and if MSGR Tomasi's pathetic excuse is the Holy Father's trial balloon, we need to pray for the Pope!!
[[sarcasm to follow]] Oh, that's a relief! This just in! Another clarification from Father Lombardi in Rome! MSGR Tomasi didn't mean to say the *Catholic* Vatican has no jurisdiction over the Catholic faithful. MSGR was talking about Vatican, Texas!