Monday, April 14, 2014

MSGR Marini's Influence Strengthened, hand Communion is suppressed in Papal Liturgy

Pope Francis has renewed MSGR M  as the Papal MC. 

The Pope's Palm Sunday Mass certainly reflected a more Catholic, Universal, Latin (CREDO, PATER NOSTER, etc.) Liturgy.  It  was beautiful, but even more beautiful were the gentle reminders which were being given to communicants to receive on the tongue!  (see, e.g., 1H: 58m: 45 sec; or 2h; 11m: 32-38s)

Traditionalists and all of you who long for solemnity, do not lose heart!  PIERO Marini, the one everyone was certain would be transforming our Liturgy,  will not be joining the CDW and has been instead sent to work with Eastern Catholics.  I doubt ARCHBSHP Piero M's liturgical ideas are going to fly very high in the lands of ad orientem worship!  Meanwhile, MSGR Guido Marini is conducting his own Eucharistic Reverence Campaign and now he is certain of the Holy Father's backing! 


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This same video was discussed over at you are for your edification....

A wholesome recent(?) innovation under Pope Francis at papal Masses, likely at Msgr. Marini’s instruction and in continuity with Pope Benedict–is encouragement of proper reception on the tongue (rather than on the hands). Check the video
around 1H: 58m: 45 sec (instruction) and 2h; 11m: 32-38s (implementation).
  • #20 by Stanislaus Kosala on April 15, 2014 - 9:29 am
    @Anthony Ruff, OSB – comment #18:
    1,3,5,6,7,8 were not done under John Paul II nor in the first years of Benedict XVI. I’m positive of that.
  • #21 by Fr. Jack Feehily on April 15, 2014 - 1:12 pm
    I want to know what authority the guy with the umbrella had to indicate to the priest how to distribute Communion. Looked like bullying to me. Either manner of receiving HC is reverent and licit. The notion that the tongue is somehow purer than the hand is indefensible. From the mouth people can hurl epithets and judgments at others. And from it can emerge cursing and foul speech. This is simply another way of expressing the superiority of the ordained. “We take it in our sacred hands, while lacking sacred hands you must receive it on the tongue.”
    Perhaps we should innovate an anointing of the hands of the laity to emphasize their priestly character. Why couldn’t the anointing following baptism be applied to the hands as well as the head?
  • #22 by Fritz Bauerschmidt on April 15, 2014 - 2:24 pm
    @Fr. Jack Feehily – comment #21:
    From what I have heard, the mandating of communion on the tongue at the Vatican arose not out of the idea that it was more pure or reverent but because of people taking consecrated hosts home with them as souvenirs.
  • #23 by Reyanna Rice on April 15, 2014 - 2:51 pm
    @Fritz Bauerschmidt – comment #22:
    If you watch closely however, you see it is not a hard and fast rule. Many of the priests fanning out in the square to distribute communion do give it into the hand. BTW, when I watched this Sunday’s liturgy, I was dismayed when I watched a young teenage boy, maybe 13 or 14 approach to receive. He was holding his hands correctly and reverently but what looked like another priest standing by reached out and rather forcefully batted the kids hands down. He looked so startled and scared. He again reached up his hands but the priest giving out the hosts kind of shoved his hand forward towards the boy’s mouth. What kind of message was sent to this young man? What kind of message to non-Catholics, nonbelievers does this send? Granted that maybe those so described may be small in number but bad behavior, and this was BAD behavior in the part of these two priests has a way of making it into the general conversation. I have taken the time to write Papa Francesco but doubt the letter gets to him, but I felt I had to say something to somebody.
  • #24 by Joe Bonesto on April 15, 2014 - 2:58 pm
    @Fr. Jack Feehily – comment #21:
    So what are we supposed to do with It once we have it in our hands, Fr.? Can’t put it in our own mouths–too foul.
    The whole “my hands are a holy as any d*** priest’s” idea is confusing to me. Those are Christ’s hands we’re talking about. He is the only one who can confect the Eucharist.
  • #25 by Henry Edwards on April 15, 2014 - 3:09 pm
    @Fr. Jack Feehily – comment #21:
    It appeared to me that he was indicating not to the priest, but to the people there, that they should receive in the tongue. At any rate, a priest back from a visit to Rome recently said that when the priests who would distribute communion were assembled in advance, they were given instructions to give only on the tongue, but in some groups only in Italian, which many of the visiting priests (from countries with an indult permitting distribution on the hands) didn’t understand. Thus you still see some unintended diversity in the manner of reception in these Vatican Masses.


    Thursday, April 10, 2014

    Holy Father (Pope Francis) Makes Veiled Swipe at President Obama (?)

    10 APR 2014.

    The Holy Father's daily sermon today seemed to be following the 'traditional' lines, irking traditionalists, talking about the dangers of narrowminded and rigid idealogues.  I was getting ready for his coup de gras to to rain down my swollen head and then, like a bolt-from-the-blue, the Pope tightened his focus and and the target became:  President Obama and government social programs?!!  Perhaps I am reading the following excerpt wrong, but it certainly does contain the catchword  'freedom of conscience' from his one-on-one with the U.S. President. 

    “Often rulers say: ‘I have asked for aid, financial support for this,’ ‘But if you want this help, you have to think in this way, and you have to pass this law, and this other law, and this other law,” he said, noting that type of dictatorship “is the same as these people.”
    “It takes up stones to stone the freedom of the people, the freedom of the people, their freedom of conscience, the relationship of the people with God. Today Jesus is crucified once again.”

    Read more:

    On another note....I did read that Pope Francis will again be deviating from tradition on Holy Thursday,  this time washing the feet of handicapped people.  I did wonder what would happen this Holy week, given last year's 'splash'.  I pray traditionalists are not baited into expending vinegar and energy condemning this year's choice.  We do have much larger problems!  like, for example, the slow slide away from MSGR Marini's intensely reverent liturgies,  not once a year, like Holy Thursday, but several times a week! 

    btw, on another note....what ever happened to that predicted take-over of the CDW by the other Marini, (Piero).  It has been about six months since we were assured by 'reliable sources' that this was inevitable.   

    Monday, March 24, 2014

    Yes, Father Barron (and Hans U. B.), there is a Hell to be avoided! says the Pope

    Though not spoken 'ex cathedra', the Holy Father, made a statement on Friday in which  real-people-real-catholics-going-to-hell is axiomatic (a foundational position which must be true for a dependent claim to be cogent). 

    I only wonder why His Holiness didn't toss us Pelagians in with the mafia hit men :-)  ?  Don't get your hopes up!  I think he certainly has left room in hell for "creed-reciting, parrot Christians," or  "museum mummies,"(I think he probably meant us by that), and we really should thank His Holiness for shaking us out of any presumptous attitudes.  Hell-fire is real and can be a destination for any of us.  I hope the Holy Father developes his 'gehenna-ology' further!

    It would be a great relief if a Holy Father would speak ex cathedra on this topic and banish the double speak and the great lie of universalism being peddled by Balthasar and his followers.  (even if the Pope must use us as his object lesson!)  something like...'see, there must be a hell! otherwise where will God put the Pelagians and the Parrot Christians?!'

    ....."On Friday, before a packed church, the pope said it was in the criminals' own interests to change their ways. "There is still time to avoid ending up in hell. That is what is waiting for you if you continue on this path," he said..... "You have had a father and a mother. Think of them. Cry a little and convert."

    Wednesday, March 19, 2014

    Fr. Barron comes up on kneeling Catholic's radar, (again) hurray for Teilhard!

    Father Barron has written a response to the new Cosmos series' formulaic swipe at the Catholic Church.  It is a pretty good article on the whole, but then right at  the apex of his crescendo he drops the name of Teilhard de Chardin as proof that Catholic belief produces great scientists. 

    It's as if Father is saying.....

    See, Seth MacFarlane, you believe that the human race gradually emerged from sub-human races who,  by the way, survived and progressed by ruthlessly killing off their nearest competitors? Well, so do we! 

    You don't believe that our original parents were perfect human beings, nor that there is such a thing as Original Sin?  Well, neither do we!

    Father B>>>>
    >>>>May I mention just a handful of the literally thousands of Catholic clerics who have made significant contributions to the sciences? Do you know about Fr. Jean Picard, a priest of the seventeenth century, who was the first person to determine the size of the earth to a reasonable degree of accuracy? Do you know about Fr. Giovanni Battista Riccioli, a seventeenth century Jesuit astronomer and the first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a free-falling body? Do you know about Fr. George Searle, a Paulist priest of the early twentieth century who discovered six galaxies? Do you know about Fr. Benedetto Castelli, a Benedictine monk and scientist of the sixteenth century, who was a very good friend and supporter of Galileo? Do you know about Fr. Francesco Grimaldi, a Jesuit priest who discovered the diffraction of light? Do you know about Fr. George Coyne, a contemporary Jesuit priest and astrophysicist, who for many years ran the Vatican Observatory outside of Tucson? Perhaps you know about Fr. Gregor Mendel, the Augustinian monk who virtually invented modern genetics, and about Fr. Teilhard de Chardin, a twentieth century Jesuit priest who wrote extensively on paleontology, and about Fr. Georges Lemaître, the formulator of the Big Bang theory of cosmic origins. <<<<

    Friday, March 14, 2014

    National Security Advisor Susan Rice defines President Obama's foreign policy as a gay agenda

    (March 11 speech)

    >>>So, even when it is politically difficult, we ask you to find new ways to empower those who are most marginalized in their societies. In those almost eighty countries around the world where we find laws and policies that persecute or discriminate against members of the LGBT community, we need you to be a clarion voice— to decry laws that would lock people up because of who they love and to find new ways to protect vulnerable members of the LGBT community. We need you to combat restrictions, also, that close space for civil society. And, we need you to be the early-warning tripwire where an atrocity is looming so we can strive to prevent it.<<<