around 5min 30sec..is where Father B talks about how good it is for 'gays' to come out of the closet.
The video's title promises to make a moral argument against homosexual marriage....yet it never does....it just seems to have Fr. B bending over backwards to show what a nice and reasonable and up-to-date guy he is...
Father!
don't 'closetted' homosexuals have a right to privacy? your characterization of people who don't wish to advertise their proclivities, and perversion, to the general public is very patronizing and, IMO very wrong. Do we not suffer greatly from an over sexualized society? what right does the general public have to know what sort of sexual struggles I or someone else may have? I thought the confessional was sufficient! Does everyone, my children, my sisters and my cousins (whom I number in the dozens!) need to know what I confess, or how am I doing sexually?
secondly, Father, I don't see all this un-closetting as a good thing..per se. period. exclamation point. It has a demoralizing-and-confusing effect on young people when they see Ellen D. e/g/ advertising that she performs unnatural sex acts with rubber phalluses and yet 'supports the troops' and other charities and hence all these things are somehow connected, and so all must be 'good'. Perhaps you --with your years of post-graduate moral theology can sort this out, Father, but my youngsters cannot. And yet you advocate rubbing their faces in it!
I’ve never trusted Father Barron. Sad commentary, really.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Tancred. Barron is a media celebrity first and a priest second. His historical illiteracy, as evidenced by his much-vaunted TV program, is part and parcel of his problem.
ReplyDeleteBut I would address this to you, Father Barron: do you really want these homosexually-disturbed people to "come out". If one of these people moves next door to me, and begin having yard parties with all their buddies, should I and my wife and little children have to sit idly by and watch this exhibition of their unspeakable perversion? Or would you recommend that I take my family and go hide in my house until their party is over? Please tell me, Father, what you would recommend.
And when the TV airwaves are filled (as they soon will be) with sickening portrayals of buggery, complete with nudity and God knows what else, should I not fear that if by chance one of my children is over at a friend's house and their parents have such a TV show on where my child can easily view such degeneracy?
Help me out, Father Barron, would you?
Fr Barron, when you have forgotten the sixth commandment of "No Adultery", then of course you cannot understand what God understands: simply that buggery is adultery and therefor is an abhorrent, perverse sin in the eyes of God and in the eyes of us who remain aware of God's fundamental plan for our lives to live according to His natural laws and commands, and to repent and be saved from our sins against these commandments. End of discussion. It's a sin, Fr. Barron! Don't add to it by advocating coming out public scandal amongst "any one of these little ones lest a mill stone be placed around your neck and you be thrown into the sea.
ReplyDeleteThis is out of hand. Fr. Barron is not saying that homosexuals should parade their sexuality. He would not say that heterosexuals should parade their sexuality. Our sexuality does not define who we are as dignified members of the body of Christ. What he is saying is that coming to terms with one's own proclivities, tendencies, temptations and CARRYING THESE THINGS is a healthy thing. That does not mean we have to celebrate them. This is the Church, my friends. This is what being a human in a fallen world is all about. It is not about perfection, but about walking the path in imitation as best we can as broken vessels. Are you there? Have you made it? I sure haven't.
ReplyDeleteFor you to say, Aged Parent, that Father Barron is a media celebrity first and a priest second is maddening and thoroughly out of line. Have you ever sat in the chapel beside him? Are you aware of the intricacies of his spiritual life? Do you know what God has revealed to him in prayer? Let the judgment you offer be offered to you. Help me out, Aged Parent, let's put our humility and righteousness on display in these comm boxes, shall we? That's courageous.
hello rozann!
Deletei'm sure you dont believe Christians should parade their sexuality...but wht Father is referring to is, de facto, celebration of homosexuality. i cant think of any instance where a celebrity has come out of the closet and has expressed a wish to repent of their life style... indeed, i believe that the term he uses means only one thing, i.e. announcing to the world that one is homosexual and if anyone has can you?a problem with that, then they should shut the heck up! perhaps you know of personal friends who announced their perversion to the world so that everyone could pray for them?
Thank you for your response. I understand your point, but taken in context, it seems clear that Father Barron means "coming to terms with their homosexual tendencies," not announcing perversion in order to celebrate it. He does not go on to encourage people to "be who they are" regardless of what deviation from morality that might entail, as you seem to be insinuating. He encourages fullness of life through the Church, the sacraments, admission of sin, repentance, etc. I agree that "coming out of the closet" often carries a celebratory nuance, but do you really think that is what Fr. Barron was proposing? You could make the case that he chose his words poorly, but the case you are trying to make is unsupported and unfair.
Deletethank you, Rozann for your contribition to my little blog's give and take! Father uses 'good thing' to describe the action we are discussing....I feel like you might be 'splitting hairs' on me here...I was probably napping when my english teacher covered the nuance between things we believe are 'good' and things we advocate! :-)
ReplyDeleteI must admit I am curious to hear why you think Father said what he said!
I can read Shakespeare without a problem, but I do t know if I can truly comprehend Shakespeare, therefore any opinion that I have over Shakespeare is invalid. The same goes with fr Barron, unless you can truly understand what he is saying ( which is clear that a lot of ppl don't ) any opinion can not be valid
ReplyDeleteWelcome, Dflores and thankyou for contributing ! Maybe it's a case of willful ignorance in my case. I used to watch all his videos until he started saying stuff like the above and that there maybe wasn't anyone in hell. At that point I 'switched him off'. I may not be able to follow his convoluted pathway, but unfortunately for him...he eventrually does state his conclusions congently. They differ too much from Jesus Christ's.
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Fr barron did not say that hell is empty.. he said that by the unfathomable and mysterious love of God, he hopes that hell is empty. Why do we insist that someone should go to hell when we do not even know for sure if we are guaranteed a place in heaven?In the many commentaries of Fr Barron about hell, he is very clear that hell exist, he strongly recognizes hell's existence because it came from the mouth of Jesus Himself. And it is clear that because of our freedom to reject God's love, the likelihood of hell gaining population is possible. Fr Barron's hope of hell being empty is not original. It echoes some sentiments of saints, Im not sure if it was aquinas.
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